Ancestors and relatives

Here are some of the people we write about in the book A Rebel Hand: Nicholas Delaney of 1798: From Ireland to Australia.

Ancestors and their families; a few of them have already been mentioned in this blog. Others will be in the future.

Nicholas Delaney and Elizabeth Bayly, his wife

Their eldest son John Delaney and his two wives, Ellen Gilligan and Mary Ann Grant, daughter of John Grant, the ‘Father of Hartley’

Their second son Thomas Delaney and his wife Lucy Simpson, daughter of John Simpson and Sarah Marshall, both convicts

Thomas and Sarah’s son Thomas (Tom) Delaney and his wife, Mary Maude Wilson, daughter of [Thomas] Robert Sandon Wilson (known as the’ Man of Mystery’) and Sarah Emma Henley (or Dicks) who was quite a mystery herself

Their children, including Laurence Thomas Delaney and Florence


From the non-Delaney side of my mother’s family, we’re looking at James Thomas Richards, another convict

James married Rebecca Harrington, who (as far as we know) had an assisted passage to Australia


Names I’m researching:

Bayly (Bayley, Bailey)

Bell

Davies

Delaney (Delany)

Ditch

Gasketh (Gaskarth)

Graham

Harrington

Henley

Hogarth (Hoggarth)

Jones

Lloyd

Marshall

Owen (Owens)

Richards

Richardson

Simpson

Tapp

Wicking

Wilson

Winter

12 Responses to Ancestors and relatives

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  2. Debby says:

    Hi, my John Delaney, 21, received a life sentence at Dublin, and was sent out on the Altas I, (I think by memory, your Nicholas was on the Atlas II, not to sure about that), John was sent to Windsor same as your Nicholas, he also had a son John born in Windsor 1812. I was wondering if, on anyone’s family journey they may have come across my John b1780 tried at Dublin. His father, also John b1857, arrived 1809 on the ‘Boyde’ states he was a native of Wicklow.

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    • rebelhand says:

      Hi Debby! Thanks for getting in touch. Yes, my Nicholas was on Atlas II and would have had a much less horrific voyage than your John on Atlas I.

      Imagine them both ending up in Windsor! Chances are they knew each other. There weren’t many Delaneys in NSW at the time, as far as I can tell. If his father was from Wicklow there’s a possibility that they were related as Delaney or Delany isn’t a common surname in the county. That’s just speculation, though…😉 I’ll certainly keep an eye out for your Delaneys.

      Can anyone help Debby with information about John Delaney?

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      • jeff Farrar says:

        Hello Frances,
        How are you?
        Recently my Uncle Bruce (Farrar) sent me the above posts.
        My understanding is that at least some of the older generation of Delaney family historians accepted that John (Atlas1) and Nicholas (Atlas2) were brothers. I was given a family reunion booklet from a gathering of John (Atlas 1) descendants several years ago by Yvonne Jenkins of “Carawatha”, Rydal, NSW. Yvonne is/was active in the Lithgow Family History Association and her husband was a descendant of Nicholas’s friend and business partner who had been head of Gov. Macquarie’s bodyguard. I bought 2 of her works: both paintings of Moyne Farm which I treasure.
        A few times I have thought how the dramatically different attitudes of the masters of the Atlases reverberated through many lives. Richard Brooke withheld much of the stores for feeding those he was transporting to sell them for a vast profit when he reached Sydney (he went on to become a substantial NSW landholder); and on the Atlas 1 many consequently suffered and died. While John survived he only had one child. Nicholas, on the Atlas 2 on which none died of maltreatment, went on the have 10 children.
        What to me is most exciting about Debbie’s post is this: “His father, also John b1857, arrived 1809 on the ‘Boyde’ states he was a native of Wicklow.”
        I haven’t been very active on Nicholas Delaney family history work for some years, so I am not aware if any breakthroughs that may have been made on Nicholas’s family in Ireland [of course we have some details in the transcript of his trial, that locate him in Wicklow etc., but little else] . I know many attempts were made, including broadcasts over the radio there, but that no current Irish family links resulted. Debbie’s post at least opens the prospect of another fascinating angle for our connections to Ireland – which remains a deep interest here. I haven’t yet looked into John Delaney (Boyde,1809). Does Debbie have any more details of John Delaney (Boyde) at all I wonder?

        Unrelated to all that: if you want to read a new outstanding work on Australian history, Tom Griffiths “the art of time travel, historians and their craft” 2016, Black Inc, Carlton, Vic.. Tom is Prof of history at ANU. It is very readable and takes you through the sweep of the work of Australian historians over the last several decades. Profound and luminous, an education in itself and very elegantly written.

        Regards to you, Debbie and other Delaney descendants.
        Jeff Farrar

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      • rebelhand says:

        Hi Jeff, what a treat to hear from you! How’s the Farrar clan?
        I haven’t had as much time for genealogy as I’d like recently, since June and the 200th anniversary of Nicholas finishing Mrs Macquarie’s Rd. With the ‘summer’ over here coming to an end, maybe I’ll get more done.

        How interesting that you’ve got two of Yvonne’s paintings of Moyne. I’ve got the one that Patricia bought from her and I treasure mine, too.

        I’m afraid I haven’t seen any evidence that John Delaney (Atlas I) was Nicholas’s brother. His date of birth looks good, but other evidence isn’t promising: John (Atlas) Delaney was convicted in Dublin, not Wicklow; why would a Carnew man have been tried there? If he’d been involved in the 1798 Rebellion he’d most likely have stayed close to home in Wicklow/Wexford.
        But I have found a website which has John (Atlas) as the son of John Delaney of the Boyd: http://www.geocities.ws/alf_delaney/d1.htm
        There are some inconsistencies, eg John D (Atlas) being born in Wicklow and in Dublin, perhaps just a slip.
        They both lived to an impressive age.
        This website has John D snr being born in Macroom in Ireland.

        I can’t remember Antoinette Sullivan, Edna Delaney or Owen Benson mentioning that Nicholas had a known brother in NSW, either.
        But who knows?

        You might be interested in a couple of posts I wrote on another blog about using the National Library of Ireland’s RC parish registers, which were released last year. The first was looking for Delan(e)ys in Carnew, and I found a Daniel: http://worldwidegenealogy.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/reading-irish-parish-registers.html
        The second compared three different ways of finding a name in the NLI RC registers: http://worldwidegenealogy.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/irish-catholic-parish-registers-which.html

        I did find Nicholas as a marriage witness and I must get around to writing about that, too.

        Thanks for the tip about Tom Griffiths’ book, I must look out for it.

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      • Debby Thomas (Delaney descendant) says:

        Hi Jeff,
        Information for John Delaney
        Birth: 1757 • Wicklow, Ireland
        As Stated on his Death Certificate

        Place of Conviction:
        Dec 1808 • Dublin, Ireland

        Departure
        8 Mar 1809 • Dublin via Cork, Ireland
        The Boyd departed Dublin and stopped at Cork to take on more prisoners before setting sail on 8 March 1809

        Arrival
        14 Aug 1809 • Port Jackson, New South Wales, Australia
        Name: John Delany Vessel Name: Boyd Year of Arrival: 1809 Place of Origin: County Kildare, Ireland Trial Location: Dublin, Ireland Date of Conviction: Oct 1808 Trade: Butcher

        Asolute Pardon
        31 Jan 1818 • Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

        Death
        24 Apr 1860 • General Infirmary, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

        Information from Death Certificate: Born in Co. Wicklow – 1757 – Married in 1810, Windsor NSW at age 53 – Died in Sydney – 24 Apr 1860 Buried 27 Apr 1860 – Sydney – Has Son John aged 48 in 1860 (born 1812) – Arrived 1805 been in Australia for 55 years in 1860 Died of: Disease of Heart

        Anyone with ideas on how to find John’s family in Ireland would be appreciated.
        Thanks Debby

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      • rebelhand says:

        Hi Debby,

        Thanks for replying so quickly!

        I mentioned in my answer to Jeff that I’d found a website which features John (Boyd) Delaney and John (Atlas I) Delaney as father and son. I can’t say how accurate it is. But it goes back to 1617. I hope it gives you some tips, anyway. I’m very envious of anyone who can get that far back in Ireland! http://www.geocities.ws/alf_delaney/d1.htm

        I wonder what happened to make both son and, later, father be transported.

        To find out more about an Irish ancestor it’s really important to know which parish or barony or similar place they came from. Then you can go to the records. If this John D (b 1757) is yours, the website says he was born in Macroom, Co Cork. Here’s some more about Macroom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroom

        You could try the Roman Catholic parish registers, which I also mentioned in my reply to Jeff. You can find the records for Macroom at http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0077

        For tips on how to use the registers, have a look at the two posts I wrote about them at http://worldwidegenealogy.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/reading-irish-parish-registers.html and http://worldwidegenealogy.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/irish-catholic-parish-registers-which.html
        I’m sure you’ll find much more advice on the net, those posts are from a while ago.

        But if John snr was born in Wicklow, you’d have to go to the Wicklow registers and search them.

        I hope this helps. Let me know how you get on!

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  3. Matthew Bateman-Graham says:

    My mother (Gwen Bateman nee Jones ) traced her lineage as:

    Matha Delaney (daughter of Nicholas and Elizabeth) married John Sheringham.
    Daughter: Elizabeth Ann Sheringham who married John Richards Summons (1856-1933)
    Married at St Stephen’s 1876.
    (John was the grandson of convict Edward Summers who arrived on the Third Fleet.(1791))
    Daughter of Elizabeth and John : Esma Leone Summons (1889-1948)
    Esma married Isaac Jones. son: Lloyd Jones. daughter: Gwen Jones.
    Gwen Jones married Peter Patrick Bateman (1948)
    Three sons: Phillip, Michael and Matthew (me). Daughter: Mary.

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